#1
|
|||
|
|||
Adult Silver Ladies FS-Elements?
Hello Everyone:
After not competing for a few years I am putting together a Silver program. What elements do ladies have in their programs today in order to be competitive with the field? How many jump passes? How many in combination? How many spins? How many in combination? Are a lot of Silver ladies doing Axels? I do not have one. Thanks a lot! |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
It somewhat depends on what age group you're in, but here are my planned elements, anyway (for the new Silver II):
Loop Axel-toe (sometimes replaced by a flip) Outside spreadeagle-inside ina-Flying camel-Back attitude spin Lutz-loop Axel (sometimes replaced by salchow) Layback Straightline step into flip Split jump-falling leaf-salchow-toe Camel-sit-backsit So...I guess that's 6 jump passes and 3 spins. You cannot have more than 3 different combination passes (one can be a sequence), and only one of your combination passes can be a 3-jump combo...at least, that's my understanding of the rules. You do not really need an axel to be competitive. It is nice, but not necessary...unless you are planning to win Silver I at nationals. Also, note that while I have two axels planned in my program, I have never landed two in competition (usually, I get too nervous and botch both of them). But seriously, if you haven't competed in a while, don't worry about what other people are doing. Do what you do well, skate a program you like, and do elements that you are comfortable and confident in for your first time back out...and THEN start tweaking it after you have that first competition out of the way. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents (although I'm noted for never taking my own advice). |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Actually, although you are only allowed 3 jump combinations or sequences, there is no rule limiting how many of those can be 3-jump combos (Take a look at the balaced program rules in the USFS rulebook). I had two 3-jump combos at AN last year and I'm glad I did. The important thing is to only do a 3-jump combo if you can execute all 3 jumps equally well and have outflow coming out of the last one. If you can't do that, you'll be better off with a 2-jump combo executed cleanly.
There was a broad range of difficulty levels at AN last year, and of the 40 ladies in Silver II (now Silver III after the reclassification), there were only 2 or 3 clean axels in the final round. So it's really not about the axel. There were a lot of Silver ladies who made final round just by executing simple elements cleanly. If you limit your elements to what you can do well, skate clean, and work on speed and flow, you should be able to make it to final round. |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
In terms of spins, lots of individuals fell out of there spins at nationals last year (especially camels). Well-Balanced Program is the key. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
I'd say most of the women in the younger age groups attempt axels, but many (incl. myself) don't land them cleanly. You don't have to do an axel to place at the top if everything else is good. I'll be in Silver II and at this time, I plan to only attempt one axel, b/c I don't want to keep worrying about 2 attempts and possibly mess up the program, run out of time scrambling to get up off the ice, etc. I plan to do a lutz-loop-loop, flip-loop-loop, footwork to lutz, salchow, stag jump into toe, hydroblade into loop-- all of which is speculative because my new coach is going to help re-do the choreography this week! Having lessons again is really motivating me to practice more, and I'm getting less winded after practicing now.
BTW, which spin combo do you guys think is more difficult/impressive to the judges: camel-sit-Y spin-back sit or camel-sit-layback-back sit? |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
The person who responded second to this thread is probably Canadian. At our Canadian Adult Nationals we are only allowed 6 jumping passes in our Silver level which is actually equivalent to Adult US Gold. Our Adult Levels are Preliminary, Bronze (reg. Can. Junior Bronze, US Adult Silver), Silver (reg. Can. Senior Bronze, US Adult Gold), Gold (reg. Junior Silver and higher, US Adult Masters Novice and higher). I hope they separate the adults in Gold for 2007 Adult Canadians into Gold (reg. Junior Silver, US Adult Novice), Masters 1 (reg. Senior Silver, US Adult Junior) and Masters 2 (reg. Gold, US Adult Seniors). Brigitte
__________________
"It's not age that determines but the heart." "Skating is not just a sport for the young but it's a passion for the soul of the young at heart." Brigitte Laskowski I am a nomadic adult skater who is a member of Windsor FSC (Skate Windsor) WOS SC again since Sept. 1st, 2008. http://eastcastlemusic.tripod.com Singerskates Sports Music Editing |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Penny Beagle and Double Toe are both people who went to US AN's last year. It just happens that when you look at well balanced program requirements and the time alotment, 6 jump passes with no more than 3 combo/sequences and and three spins with footwork, connecting steps, etc are about all you can fit in a 2:10 program
|
#8
|
|||
|
|||
I will be competing in Silver I this year. My planned elements, so far, are:
lutz-loop axel camel-layback-back sit flip-loop footwork into lutz flying camel circular footwork salchow-BO3-mohawk-flip I need another spin and a toe loop somewhere (I HATE toe loops). All my singles are solid but my axel is not consistent. I am hoping to have a small spread eagle somewhere. I am not open hipped but I have been working on them and they seem better. What I really need to focus on is stamina so the end of my program is as strong as the beginning. When I start looking all droopy and blah I am very curious to know what other Silver I skaters look like. An elements list isn't very revealing about the quality of skating. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
If you feel like you need a toeloop, why not just add it onto the flip-loop or lutz-loop, so that you'll still get credit for the 2-jump combination even if you mess up the toeloop. I used to hate toeloops, too, but they got a lot better once I was forced to work on the takeoff for the double toe. For a solid toeloop, just remember to (1) pick a little to the outside, not straight behind your skating foot, (2) make sure you are still facing backward when the toepick goes into the ice, and (3) take the time to get your weight onto the toe before jumping off it. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
Quote:
|
#11
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Oops, my reply to your comment about the spread eagle got buried in the quoted part! I meant to say,
"That's true. When you have something in your program, it does force you to work on it and make it better." |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Silver III
If I compete, it will be in Silver III (yikes!). I don't think I'll have time to come up with a new program, so it would be with a lengthened version of my Bronze '04 program. Unless we wind up totally re-choreographing it, the elements will be:
back scratch spin LFI spiral change edge into LFO spiral (might change to outside ina into spiral) loop/loop outside spreadeagle into inside spreadeagle into layback/back sit falling leaf/toe loop (maybe add a salchow in this combo) lutz camel/sit/back sit diagonal footwork into flip flying camel (this is in my dreams... ) lutz/loop/loop Right now the flying camel is still a figment of my imagination. If it doesn't happen, I will add a forward scratch spin to the ending instead. For Silver III (former Silver II), can I be competitive without an axel and flying spin? |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
I've had some experience competing at Nats. I've competed in 5 fs events at nationals and medaled twice, and except for once, have always made finals. I've always figured that, except perhaps for the axel, we will all have the same jumps and spins, so it's a matter of doing what you do well. I think that's even more the case now, as the required or suggested elements have become more standardized. I think the new scoring system will help the adults as far as the concept of an entire program being rewarded. Weather the new system is specifically used for adults or not, the judges at Nationals will have used it. As it is many of the judges do not really judge the adults and kids differently with the same system, so I don't really expect them to use two different systems.
So I would suggest to not worry about the specific elements, but highlight your strengths and do what you do well.
__________________
Recycle Love - Adopt a homeless pet |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
__________________
Champagne in 2005, 2008, 2009 - who's next out of the pre-bronze club...? Wang chung! |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#18
|
|||
|
|||
Those who have taken Silver FS - what did you do for your sequence? I am planning flip-falling leaf-loop but I am thinking about possibly switching it, mostly because I'm worried that it isn't enough of a sequence with the falling leaf in it (which necessitates a FI 3-turn before the loop).
|
#19
|
|||
|
|||
Why not do a loop/ half loop/ flip?
__________________
"It's not age that determines but the heart." "Skating is not just a sport for the young but it's a passion for the soul of the young at heart." Brigitte Laskowski I am a nomadic adult skater who is a member of Windsor FSC (Skate Windsor) WOS SC again since Sept. 1st, 2008. http://eastcastlemusic.tripod.com Singerskates Sports Music Editing |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
#21
|
|||
|
|||
For my silver test, I did flip-half loop-sal-toe loop as the sequence.
__________________
Where are those knives when I need them? ---------------------------------- I need a detachable left foot! |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
I did split-flip-mazurka-flip for my sequence on the silver FS test.
I always thought that was a weird requirement. Though it seems to get us to come up with creative choreography! |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
I like a falling leaf,1/2flip, 1/2 flip, flip loop.
__________________
Recycle Love - Adopt a homeless pet |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
USFS remarks: "Jump sequence may consist of any number of jumps of any number of revolutions linked by hops and turns immediately following each other. There cannot be more than one revolution on the ice between any hop or jump, the sequence must have a constant rhythm and there can be no crossovers during the sequence. -If there is more than one revolution between any hop or jump, or if there are crossovers, then the jumps shall be considered two separate jump elements with connecting steps or transitions and shall take up two of the skater’s allowed jump elements. -Sequences which contain only Unclassified Jumps, including jumps of less than one revolution performed as part of connecting footwork are permitted and are not considered to be jump elements (split jump, falling leaf, stag, half loop, etc.)." Please note, however, that a "jump sequence," consisting of only one listed jump together with other nonlisted jumps is not considered a jump-sequence but will count as a single jump. For example, a falling leaf into a salchow is only counted as a single jump. The nonlisted jump must link two (or more) listed jumps.
__________________
Doubt whom you will, but never yourself. "Do what you love, and you'll never have to work a day in your life." -Haha, I've *arrived*! I am listed as a reference on Wikipedia. |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
Quote:
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|