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Old 10-05-2007, 08:32 AM
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Synchro, do you mean anything like Irina Slutskaya's loop setup here around 3:05-3.11?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJDa7X-O_zk
No, it's more of a step to your right foot from a forward glide on your left foot. Your right leg would be back and you would simply keep it low to the ice and take a tiny step to it.

I have used that as an exercise though, but at my rink we call them traveling (back)-threes. Typically, we put them after whatever double jump you're trying to do, for instance, a double loop. You'd just do single loop followed by a series of traveling threes where you are pulled in with your arms and your legs crossed. Same can be done using a backspin, so single loop-backspin.

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So are you saying this is a RFI 3-turn with a pull-in of the arms and free leg as you execute the turn? If so, do you stay backward, or does the pull-in make you turn forward again so you do a little double 3?
There is no 3-turn. It's literally a step forward to the right foot. What you would do is go from a forward glide on your left leg with the left arm in front and right leg behind to the right foot. To do this, you just take a tiny step to the right foot, but it's not an actual three-turn. I guess you can say you're literally stepping from LFO edge to a RBO edge. You are now backwards and to get back to that LFO edge, you need to literally step to it again and then step backward to the RBO edge and repeat over and over. When you're on that RBO edge is when you cross your feet, quickly, trying to cross the left calve over the top of the skating boot.

There's also no double three - that'd be what I replied to the Slutskaya question - an entirely different exercise, which I've also used to help with doubles. It's fairly common around here.
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:32 AM
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There is no 3-turn. It's literally a step forward to the right foot. What you would do is go from a forward glide on your left leg with the left arm in front and right leg behind to the right foot. To do this, you just take a tiny step to the right foot, but it's not an actual three-turn. I guess you can say you're literally stepping from LFO edge to a RBO edge. You are now backwards and to get back to that LFO edge, you need to literally step to it again and then step backward to the RBO edge and repeat over and over. When you're on that RBO edge is when you cross your feet, quickly, trying to cross the left calve over the top of the skating boot.

There's also no double three - that'd be what I replied to the Slutskaya question - an entirely different exercise, which I've also used to help with doubles. It's fairly common around here.
Sounds like a FO pigeon toed Mohawk, or a waltz jump that has no jump.

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I'm about to head off for another lesson with even less practice than last week, and ankles more sore. Older DD has decided to enter the comp at the rink where I work, and had a lesson with me yesterday, which actually went very well. She's coming with us today, so if I can't take my lesson, she or DH will.
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:18 PM
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Really boring, worthless group lesson today. Although I had a funny little chat with the ballet teacher (no ballet for me for the moment) and also I have to pick music for a programme now for competitions.

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Old 10-05-2007, 02:02 PM
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No, it's more of a step to your right foot from a forward glide on your left foot. Your right leg would be back and you would simply keep it low to the ice and take a tiny step to it.

I have used that as an exercise though, but at my rink we call them traveling (back)-threes. Typically, we put them after whatever double jump you're trying to do, for instance, a double loop. You'd just do single loop followed by a series of traveling threes where you are pulled in with your arms and your legs crossed. Same can be done using a backspin, so single loop-backspin.


There is no 3-turn. It's literally a step forward to the right foot. What you would do is go from a forward glide on your left leg with the left arm in front and right leg behind to the right foot. To do this, you just take a tiny step to the right foot, but it's not an actual three-turn. I guess you can say you're literally stepping from LFO edge to a RBO edge. You are now backwards and to get back to that LFO edge, you need to literally step to it again and then step backward to the RBO edge and repeat over and over. When you're on that RBO edge is when you cross your feet, quickly, trying to cross the left calve over the top of the skating boot.

There's also no double three - that'd be what I replied to the Slutskaya question - an entirely different exercise, which I've also used to help with doubles. It's fairly common around here.
OOOOOHHHH. . . So you're stepping down BACKWARDS onto your right foot! Now it makes sense.
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:46 PM
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healthy - I have a day off from work, so I listened to my own advice and trotted my skates in to Klingbeil this morning to have them stretched out a bit over my big toes. It's never been really painful, but the right toenail was starting to curve on the side from the pressure over time.

Next I zoooomed over to the rink to try them out. Worlds of difference, my toesies are very happy now.

Finally, I had a really good practice, for cheap in a nearly deserted public session. I actually landed something like six Salchows in a row, a couple of them even had some air. I'm so excited, I think I can officially say I have the jump now after nearly a year of whining about it

Junk - I was going to head over to Rockefeller Center to pick up my season pass, and hopefully get in on the sneak-preview skate this evening, but I've got to take my kids to girl scouts tonight, and it's like eighty degrees out, they've probably got a very photogenic lake. I think I'm going to punt in
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:08 PM
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Mrs Redboots, that's interesting! They train on Saturdays, I think. But I thought that dance teams were like synchro type people... and also, the no talking rule only applies to patch time. and the dance team train on public session.
No, dance teams are usually couples - there are things like formation dance, which is more like synchro, but that's not it. Your rink's ice dance club meets on a Tuesday evening - maybe you should go along to see what all the fuss is about!
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:32 PM
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In spite of zero practice this week, I had a pretty good lesson today. I think just being on the ice helps, and I'm on the ice teaching every day but Friday. My ankles held out to the end. Those Salonpas medicated adhesive pads really help! We started with the Prelim alternating FO three pattern, which was not quite as good as in my dream yesterday morning, but still much better than previously. FI threes are also better, but I'm battling the fear factor there. My one foot spin was actually pretty good, and I hit one that went on and on until I decided it was over. Then I brought older DD into the lesson (thank you, my wonderful coach!) to have her work on spins. Finally, I asked my coach about a form of fast forward stroking that I've noticed high level skaters doing, in which there is an extra push from the skating foot just before weight transfer. I was following my coach around going about as fast as I've ever gone, when we got to the end and began crossovers, and...

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"TOEPICK!", I yelled, going down hard and fast. At least I was able to really stretch out so no single part took the brunt of the fall. I now have a bruised right fore arm at the elbow, bruised right knee just above the knee cap, more lightly bruised left knee, and lots of muscle strain from keeping my head up and having my right arm forcefully and suddently stretched out on the ice. I knew right away I was OK, and got right up, but then felt a bit dizzy and faint. We stopped for sushi on the way home and I'm now sitting with 6 Salonpas applied in various places. I sure wish I could take ibuprofen!
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:10 PM
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"TOEPICK!", I yelled, going down hard and fast.
Aaaaaaaahhhh. Feel better!

Scotch makes a decent ibuprofin substitute I find, except for headaches. It makes those worse.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:39 PM
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Healthy - Got back on the ice after a few weeks off with a stinking virus, still feeling quite weak friom it and healthy didn't push myself to exhaustion which makes a change for me! Went through all my jumps, spins and footwork and was pleased not to have completely lost it all.

Junk - Toe pick, splat, ouch.
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:44 PM
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DBNY - The way I see it, whenever you have a catch-toe spiral fall that doesn't require an emergency room visit, you're doing well! Stretch out your neck, back, traps, etc., and take a nice hot mineral bath. I know exactly what those anti-chin-bonk muscle strains can feel like the next day, LOL!
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:12 PM
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Aaaaaaaahhhh. Feel better!

Scotch makes a decent ibuprofin substitute I find, except for headaches. It makes those worse.
Now why didn't I think of that? Will send DH downstairs soon to prepare my very important medication

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Healthy - Got back on the ice after a few weeks off with a stinking virus, still feeling quite weak friom it and healthy didn't push myself to exhaustion which makes a change for me! Went through all my jumps, spins and footwork and was pleased not to have completely lost it all.

Junk - Toe pick, splat, ouch.
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DBNY - The way I see it, whenever you have a catch-toe spiral fall that doesn't require an emergency room visit, you're doing well! Stretch out your neck, back, traps, etc., and take a nice hot mineral bath. I know exactly what those anti-chin-bonk muscle strains can feel like the next day, LOL!
That's a great way to look at it! Thanks for the tip about stretching; I did not know that! Unfortunately, a bath is out of the question, because I would have to clean the tub first .
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:26 PM
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Healthy - me! Finally back on the ice after my cold! Good sal today. Backspin coming - can do 4-5 revs now, but its still pretty ugly. MIF feel comfortable even after some days off. Spins ok. Sit spin came back from its temporary absense last week. Still need to get lower.

Junk - toe loop - timing is getting me. This jump is harder than it looks. Coach is pushing me to draw in from the toepick. loop jump - still double footing. why can't I pick up that dang foot?
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:07 PM
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Well, not my skating! But I did get to see some of EGL Regionals tonight, and I'm going back tomorrow!

And I almost ran into Carol Heiss Jenkins when I was coming out of the restroom

This is so much fun! I've never been to a Regionals comp before. One girl skated to a wordless version of Led Zeppelin's Kashmir and I about died of happiness. I want to skate to that...
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:20 PM
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That's a great way to look at it! Thanks for the tip about stretching; I did not know that! Unfortunately, a bath is out of the question, because I would have to clean the tub first .
Oh, okay, a hot shower and a stretch, then, LOL! Yeah, people may look at me a little funny, but now as soon as I have a bad fall, I go over to the boards and stretch out whatever muscles are on the opposite side from the body part that hit the ice (or whichever muscles I knew had to pull hard to keep my head from hitting). It really does help!
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Old 10-05-2007, 08:49 PM
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Old 10-05-2007, 09:24 PM
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More junk: she says I need to get more solid on the backspin before we can move on to other jumps (i.e. loop) I don't know, I'm having to jump/pick out of the backspin anyway after one rev, maybe I should just go ahead and jump and make the most out of it!
If i had to wait for MY backspin to show up consistently....I'd still be jumping the waltz jump ONLY!!! My coach did fast-forward to the flip for a bit, just to get me "feeling" the transfer of weight-all in preparation for the loop jump. It did help a lot, even though I have only landed it correctly once (i.e. on one foot).

If I can remember, I will have someone video my 2-foot glide entrance to the backspin...see if I can get a good one and upload it. If my phone cooperates!!! (since my video camera has refused to cooperate lately).
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:15 AM
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Junk: I woke up this morning and I couldn't walk. This cannot be good.
No, it's NOT good!!! You need to get thee to a doctor STAT!!! (Get someone to help you to a car and get there.)

Junk:
The latter half of my artistic program! Oh, dear! It's really CRAP right now. The first half is okay though. I was also rushing to get on the ice this morning b/c I have a dentist appt. right before the lesson. Thankfully, my workload at work is pretty light now. (Thanks to the fact that I've got a slew of work done quickly about a week ago...)

Healthy:
My Sharene dress for my FS program has arrived... and it's just GORGEOUS!!! I asked for exactly what's in the picture and it looks WAAAAAY better in real life!!!

And do I have enough stones put on the dress to keep primary coach happy? Well, as my DH of now 11 years (It's our wedding anniversary today!!!) says as I took it out of the shipping box to show him... "It looks like Penthouse Forum in a box!!! Jay will be very happy with the dress!"
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Old 10-06-2007, 02:10 AM
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Junk: I woke up this morning and I couldn't walk. This cannot be good.
Lyme-related, or injury-related? At any rate the doctor idea sounds good.
Hey good luck!!!
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Old 10-06-2007, 03:44 AM
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Junk: I woke up this morning and I couldn't walk. This cannot be good.
Oh dear.... have you seen a doctor yet, or has someone taken you to what I think you would call the Emergency Room, and I'd call A and E? If not, do it - NOW.

As for us, I didn't skate today as Saturday patch is pretty darn impossible if you want to dance. We also didn't skate yesterday - Husband never really does want to skate on a Friday morning, and I let myself be persuaded and have regretted it ever since. He went skating this morning, though, and tells me he is beginning to be able to land his loop from a Mohawk entrance, which is his current Cunning Plan, as he says from a 3-turn he pre-rotates too much. He says his spins were as awful as usual, though. Neither of us can spin worth a damn solo, yet we have two, if not three, very respectable couples' spins, go figure....
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Old 10-06-2007, 09:06 AM
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I haven't posted in a few weeks; it's been a bit busy...

Healthy: Had a short lesson on Monday with my coach on the bronze moves. Having passed the APBM test at the end of August I've been working on these. She says the improvement is substantial, though, of course, there's still a long way to go. Interestingly, the moves I thought would be hard are not turning out to be the problem areas. Back crossover perimeter stroking looks hardest at the moment, due to the need to cover the rink in four lobes, and the five step mohawk pattern is next--because I never use left foot mohawks in dance, so I'm a bit one-sided. Also managed a decent Willow during the social dance session...

Junk: I wouldn't have chosen to do moves, though, if I had known that I wasn't going to be on the ice with my coach for a good while. She's down with an Achilles tendon injury and her doctor has forbidden skates for at least a month, so, while she will try coaching my moves from the boards, there isn't much we can do in dance. I had been sustaining myself through a rough week at work with the thought that I had a lesson on Friday, so it was a blow when I got that news, followed up by my back-up coach needing to cancel the lesson I had set up for today. When things are bad, they often seem to pile on.

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Old 10-06-2007, 09:18 AM
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-Landing amazing axels and double loops
-Finally did a good beilman spin

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-Forgetting to do my program
-My double salhcow (I have no clue how to spell it!!)
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:52 PM
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Healthy: Um, 90% of my body?? Hey, even if my ankle isn't complying, I can still toy around with music for an eventual program. . .

Junk: It's the 10% that stinks--that darned ankle & periphery. Tried padding on Thursday and it didn't really help. Had a half hour lesson with coach and it was too much for that darned 10%. I think I spent more time whining and complaining than anything--stupid choice. Poor coach was also struggling with a charlie horse. Hemming and hawing about whether to go back to the dr--now that it's Saturday and my ankle STILL hurts (and I had only a mild 25-minute walk yesterday, plus a few of the strengthening exercises), I guess the verdict woudl have to be "go to the dr." Sigh. . . I suppose my ankle would have continued fine if I weren't skating. Perhaps I should have explained this to the doctor & physical therapists??

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Old 10-06-2007, 01:22 PM
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Oh dear.... have you seen a doctor yet, or has someone taken you to what I think you would call the Emergency Room, and I'd call A and E? If not, do it - NOW.
Eh it's from my lyme disease. We talked to my doctor and she said that I should be better in 4 to 7 days. It's a flare-up from my IV meds so hopefully it will be better soon. It just sucks in the meantime.
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:59 PM
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Aww that really sucks xofivebyfive!
Don't be scared though, everybody with serious chronical diseases has been through similar episodes, it's kinda scary but keep in mind, this is one bug who is gonna get its butt kicked! Should've known whose blood to infect: you're a figure skater!!! And our bodies are made smart like that: they repair themselves afterwards, so you'll be good as new again someday, and perhaps, even fitter than you were before this horrid ordeal.

Anyway, *HUGS*

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Old 10-06-2007, 04:49 PM
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I skated today, but it was a pretty blah session, considering I've been up since 4:40 am to go hunting (and THAT was even a wash but nice to be out anyways).

Fell twice on my sucky loop attempts so I gave up. scratch spin is decent once more, although my feet need to be closer together. Back-3's were ok. Salchow from 3-turns were ok. Toe-loops were bad, I'm picking sideways and not on my toe. Backspin thing was ok, once I remembered it-I recorded a good one on my camera phone, but can't upload it (don't have a mini-mini-card and file size exceeds upload size....) so I have to upload a crappy attempt. Ok, the other one was a crappy attempt but it was my LESS crappy attempt!!!
here is a link to my video.....sorry for the crappy resolution:
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