2011 Adult Nationals: Where? - Page 2

manleywoman · #26 02-24-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NoVa Sk8r

As for cost, this year's adult easterns--in NC--occurred on ice that cost ~$350/hr.

Wow. That's high.

flying~camel · #27 02-24-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NoVa Sk8r

From what I understand, the main reason was not cost but lack of hosting any major event.

We (Grand Rapids) hadn't hosted any major events when we bid on AN 09 (SN 06 doesn't count - it was actually hosted by the Detroit Metro Council).

NoVa Sk8r · #28 02-24-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by manleywoman

Wow. That's high.

The ref told me it was $5/minute plus extra for the ice cut! And it is a county-operated facility. He couldn't imagine doing the comp with IJS costs involved.

RachelSk8er · #29 02-24-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flying~camel

We (Grand Rapids) hadn't hosted any major events when we bid on AN 09 (SN 06 doesn't count - it was actually hosted by the Detroit Metro Council).

But do they also look at who exactly is on the LOC when there are bids put in? I think knowledge of adult skating and how adult nationals is run would trump experience in running big competitions (provided you also have the right facility and volunteer base to pull everything off, which you guys did).

Stormy · #30 02-25-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NoVa Sk8r

The ref told me it was $5/minute plus extra for the ice cut! And it is a county-operated facility. He couldn't imagine doing the comp with IJS costs involved.

Seems like you have to get so many stars to align just right for Sectionals to have IJS. Get a club that knows what they're doing, wants to have Sectionals AND has low enough ice costs to be able to afford to have IJS.

Isk8NYC · #31 02-25-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NoVa Sk8r

easterns--in NC--occurred on ice that cost ~$350/hr.

When I first joined the Club, they had two freestyles on Saturday mornings, but the cost was too much. The club only occasionally does rentals for competition/testing events. The county relationship is wierd because they hired a management company to run the place, day-to-day. The head guy is a partner in several other rinks in the area, so there's a "formula approach" at work. I'm really pleased with the facility and the way it's managed, it's just different from most municipal rinks where the management is rec dept staff. Apparently, the hockey community pays the rental fees because there's hockey pretty much every night during the week.

I remember a group of us renting Ice World (Totowa, NJ) from midnight-1am to prepare for big competitions.
That would never happen here given the rental rates.

manleywoman · #32 02-25-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RachelSk8er

But do they also look at who exactly is on the LOC when there are bids put in? I think knowledge of adult skating and how adult nationals is run would trump experience in running big competitions (provided you also have the right facility and volunteer base to pull everything off, which you guys did).

They look at a lot of things . . . quality of the bid, experience, and many times location.

Mel On Ice · #33 02-25-2010, 11:10 AM

right now with the state of the wallet, somewhere affordable first then somewhere warm second.

sk8er1964 · #34 02-25-2010, 01:01 PM

I think Grand Rapids should host it again.

rlichtefeld · #35 02-25-2010, 01:25 PM

We pay $350/hr for the ice at the Peach Classic. So, that's not un-heard of.

As to IJS we do a paper-based IJS for the Gold and above events.

The tech panel reviews the jumps, spins and spirals for downgrades and levels, and then use radios (walkie-talkies with ear pieces) to "call" their list to all the judges at one time. The judges write down their GOEs and PCS scores.

Then, the sheets are taken to the accountant and the next skater begins. The scores are not displayed in real time, but they get out not a lot later than a normal event. You just need additional asst. accountants to help with all the data entry.

However, not having to rent a system, setup up the system, guard the system at night and then tear down the system, has some savings. Is it as good as the full computer system - no. But, it does work.

We've used this system for the past 4 years at the Peach Open, and the last year at the Peach Classic.

If anyone is interested, I can give the names of the past few referees, or I can discuss it with you.

I would love to host AN here in Atlanta, but we don't have the facilities for it. The seating required is way too small in any of the facilities. And, the most number of sheets we have at any one facility is 2, and the rinks are about an hour apart (with good traffic).

Rob

jazzpants · #36 02-25-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mel On Ice

right now with the state of the wallet, somewhere affordable first then somewhere warm second.

I hear 'ya, girlfriend! I hear 'ya!!!

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Originally Posted by sk8er1964

I think Grand Rapids should host it again.

I wouldn't mind coming back to Grand Rapids again. (Mmmm... Sundance Cinnamon Rolls!!!

) Then again, it also depends on whether or not I have my stuff together enough that I am ready to compete again... and right now...ummmm.... not even CLOSE! Maybe someday this century I'll pass Silver Moves!!!

Also, so do I assume that 2012 will likely be at Lake Plastic...er, Placid again?

flying~camel · #37 02-25-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sk8er1964

I think Grand Rapids should host it again.

A lot of people in our club would like to but those of us who were on the LOC need a few years to recoup

flo · #38 02-25-2010, 06:41 PM

My favorite place will always be Lake Placid. Grand Rapids and Ann Arbor did great jobs! I'd love to have it back at University of Delaware/Wilmington, or Vegas!!

Stormy · #39 02-26-2010, 01:48 PM

Lake Placid was nice....if not a bit boring. Grand Rapids did a great job, Chicago was good and Dallas I didn't stay long enough to really get a feel for it and it was my first one.

Rob, I know that unfortunately ATL couldn't have ANs, but would you consider having Sectionals? Clearly you guys know what you're doing and I believe the IceForum has enough seating for that? I've been at The Cooler too and that seemed big enough.

rlichtefeld · #40 02-26-2010, 03:41 PM

Stormy,

I'm attending my first sectionals (Mids) in a couple weeks. Since I've never been to one before, I'll have a better idea after that.

It's just all the rinks here are privately owned, and hockey is king.

Rob

Mel On Ice · #41 03-02-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by flying~camel

A lot of people in our club would like to but those of us who were on the LOC need a few years to recoup

Let's wait until the spawn of the LOC is old enough to volunteer as runners or sweepers.

Terri C · #42 04-08-2010, 01:28 PM

Well with AN 2010 next week, any word on where 2011 will be?

flying~camel · #43 04-08-2010, 01:36 PM

I heard the bids for AN 2011 aren't due until 6/1 and that, so far, no one has bid.

Stormy · #44 04-08-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by flying~camel

I heard the bids for AN 2011 aren't due until 6/1 and that, so far, no one has bid.

No one at all?

I know my club has been thinking about it, but it wouldn't be for 2011, maybe 2012 if we can get all the stars to align right. And for those that know what club I'm with, NO, it wouldn't be at the club's rink. I wouldn't want ANs at my rink myself.

I hate to ask this question, but if no one bids....what happens?

techskater · #45 04-08-2010, 08:15 PM

That tidbit has been mentioned at our club's last board meeting concerning lack of bids.

RachelSk8er · #46 04-09-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormy

No one at all?

I know my club has been thinking about it, but it wouldn't be for 2011, maybe 2012 if we can get all the stars to align right. And for those that know what club I'm with, NO, it wouldn't be at the club's rink. I wouldn't want ANs at my rink myself.

I hate to ask this question, but if no one bids....what happens?

I think they go to the clubs that they know can handle it and beg if there are no bids or the ones they get aren't quite good enough. I'm pretty sure that's how we ended up with JNs twice in 3 yrs at my rink, and how synchro nationals was in San Diego twice in 3 yrs (back when they were more concerned with not breaking the section rotation).