skatingforums.com  

Go Back   skatingforums.com > Figure Skating > On Ice - Skaters

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #26  
Old 05-24-2006, 12:49 PM
Moto Guzzi Moto Guzzi is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 0
I've worn Harlick's for years but the last pair I ordered didn't fit right. My feet have changed through the years from 7 1/2 AA to 8B, and I have new measurements taken each time I order boots. When my new boots arrived, they looked too small and I asked my fitter if they were really mine. I could get my feet into them, but they were extremely uncomfortable. It looked as though they'd used my measurements from 10 years ago.

We sent them back and when Harlick returned the boots, they were still too small. I told my fitter that when I paid that much money for a pair of custom boots, I expected them to fit me. He tried stretching them, but they were just too small. He remeasured my feet and the measurements were nearly identical to the ones he sent in with the original order.

The boots went back and they made me a new pair that fits much better except the orthotics still hurt my feet a year later. The arch doesn't feel as though it's in the proper place, and I'm thinking about having new ones made locally. I took out the new orthotics and replaced them with my old ones, but it didn't help. I did notice that the inside of the boot was stamped 8AAAA and wondered if they'd used a stock boot last. At one time I did wear a quad A heel but that was a long time ago.

A friend had the same problem with several pairs not fitting properly and came to the conclusion that Harlick just grabbed one of her old measurements at random and made her new boots. They're great when they fit properly and terrible when they don't. Also, it took me five months to get a pair that fit.
__________________
"May the wind be at your back and the sun upon your face and may the wings of destiny carry you aloft to dance with the stars."
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 05-24-2006, 12:58 PM
Isk8NYC Isk8NYC is offline
Board Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Below the Mason-Dixon Line
Posts: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by LoopLoop
Klingbeil does, in fact, make custom lasts. If you go to their shop to be fitted, they will take you into the work area and show you shelf after shelf of lasts, all labeled with the skater's name.
It's true! When I bought my last pair of Klingbeil's, Don showed me the lasts with my name on them. They have "wooden feet" in a huge storage room onsite. There's a video on their website that shows the process.
__________________
Isk8NYC
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 05-24-2006, 01:05 PM
doubletoe doubletoe is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 4,062
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isk8NYC
It's true! When I bought my last pair of Klingbeil's, Don showed me the lasts with my name on them. They have "wooden feet" in a huge storage room onsite. There's a video on their website that shows the process.
Okay, well that's cool! I wonder how they can afford to do that and still keep their prices reasonable. . .
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 05-24-2006, 03:58 PM
dbny dbny is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by doubletoe
Okay, well that's cool! I wonder how they can afford to do that and still keep their prices reasonable. . .
Their prices have gone up recently. I wouldn't be surprised if they own the building they are in and may get some rental income from it also. Otherwise, I really don't know.

I emailed Jackson about not being able to return the coaches boot if it didn't fit, and got a reply very quickly. As long as no customizations are ordered, they said the boots can be returned. I've asked them for a dealer in my area who would do that, because I will order them as long as I'm certain that they could be returned. I also have an appointment for a week from tomorrow with Don Klingbeil. I'm going to show up with Birkenstock insoles and maybe Superfeet orthotics and see if he can work them into a new pair of boots. I'll ask him to start from scratch with them. Everyone else with custom Klingbeils says they fit like gloves - and that's what I want too!
__________________
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers." Barak Obama, 44th President of the United States of America
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 05-25-2006, 01:23 PM
TashaKat TashaKat is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 0
Reply from Harlick

I decided to get it from the horse's mouth so to speak I gave them the link to this thread hence their references to it. So here's their very prompt reply:


Quote:
There were some very informed posts on that thread and a lot of good information. Let me try to clear up a few things. Our custom boots are fully customized. The lasts are customized to fit each skater's needs and the leather uppers are designed and cut to fit each skater's feet according to their fit.

There seemed to be some questions on the thread about a "true" custom last and a modified stock last. I'm very confident in saying that every boot company uses the same approach as Harlick in regards to their custom lasts. As one poster said it would be very difficult for the boot company to make a "true" custom last for each individual skater.

It would cost too much money, take too much time, and with time (we've been making custom boots for 75 years) it would be impossible to store all the custom lasts. Also as one poster said that Phil (president of Harlick) told them that even though it is a "true" custom last there is a small margin for error and the last may not fit the skater properly and still need to be modified. I know Klingbeil does make some "true" custom lasts--and I don't want to speak for them--but I'm pretty sure most of their custom boots are made with a customized stock last just like every other boot company.

Just because the last used in making a custom boot is not a "true" custom last that does not mean the fit will be compromised. Harlick has several hundred stock lasts (various widths, lengths, and shapes) that are used for custom orders. These lasts are a starting point and can be modified to fit any type of foot (round toe, narrow heel, flat arches, high arches, etc.). We are very confident that this method works and is the best way to give the skater the fit they expect when ordering a Harlick custom boot.

On top of customizing the last Harlick also customizes the boot patterns and hand cuts the leather so the upper will fit the skaters foot precisely. There are also many other modifications and options that can be added to the custom order so that the skater gets the precise fit and function out of their boot that they need. Other boot companies will take a stock upper and stretch it around a customized last.

Please let me know if you have any other questions. You are more than welcome to copy this to the thread.

Rudy Kuhn
Harlick & Co., Inc.
__________________
The best whisper is a click
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 05-25-2006, 01:40 PM
Isk8NYC Isk8NYC is offline
Board Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Below the Mason-Dixon Line
Posts: 0
Very tactful, and informative, reply. Thanks TashaKat!
__________________
Isk8NYC
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 05-25-2006, 01:48 PM
dbny dbny is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by TashaKat
I decided to get it from the horse's mouth so to speak I gave them the link to this thread hence their references to it. So here's their very prompt reply:
Exactly why I did not want to name names here. I hope there is no fallout.
__________________
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers." Barak Obama, 44th President of the United States of America
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 05-25-2006, 03:15 PM
flo flo is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 0
Thanks for the info. I had custom Harlicks for years and never a problem. This last one just didn't fit. I sent it back for corrections and meanwhile got a pair of Jacksons, which really don't fit. I have never had so many blisters and foot problems. I spoke with the rep at nats and agreed to give it one more try and send them back again if necessary. He was very helpful, and now that i'm finished competing for a while, I'm going to go back to my Harlicks.
__________________
Recycle Love - Adopt a homeless pet
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2002 - 2005 skatingforums.com. All rights reserved.
Copyright © 2002 Graphics by Dustin. May not be used without permission.
Posts may not be reproduced without the first obtaining the written consent of the poster.