those are fine and count - just as two spirals not one

Exactly. You can do the RFI and RFO spirals separately, or as part of a single change-edge spiral, but either way it counts as two spiral positions, since a spiral position is considered different once there is a change of edge, change of free leg position, change of foot or change of direction.

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I think your spin combo in the video is really nice!

[QUOTE=It's the spiral that Sasha Cohen (and Michelle Kwan) used to do - the one where they are skating backward (essentially on a flat, which would mean it wouldn't count as a spiral, so I guess next season's versions will have to be on an edge) and drop their upper body downward so that their nose nearly touches their skating leg, and their free leg is raised up straight behind them in a full split position. It was named after a skater in the early 1900s named Charlotte (I think she was German) who did that move in ice shows.[/QUOTE]

Is that the one that is also called a candlestick?

I was actually just making fun of their mistake. If the skating knee can't be ABOVE the buttocks, that means the sitspin is not allowed to be 90 degrees or lower! I'm sure they meant to say the skating knee can't be BELOW the buttocks (thus my reference to getting it @ss-backwards!

I actually find it annoying that they define a 90-degree angle on a sitspin as "parallel" because that is not the case. Kate, your leg on both of your sitspins is at a 90-degree angle, but your thigh is not parallel to the ice because the shin of your skating leg is not perpindicular to the ice, it's like this: \ That is true of everyone's sitspin. I had an issue with the lack of clarity last year when they came up with this rule, knowing that most people (including technical specialists and judges) don't think about the fact that the thigh is not parallel to the ice until the leg bend is at about a 70-degree angle (much deeper than a 90-degree angle). For being "technical" rules, the lack of specificity is always surprisingly un-technical.

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Lol! I should read things more carefully! I didn't see their mistake! So do you think you need 70-degrees before they call it a sit spin? Would a 90-degree with thigh not parallel be ok?

I honestly think it's going to depend on which technical specialist you get. To be safe, just make sure that even if your sitspin is called as an upright spin, it won't put that spin in the same classification as any other spin you have in your program. For example, if you have a scratch spin in your program, don't do a plain sitspin or a sit-upright because if they count the sit position as an upright, you'll have two solo upright spins and the second one won't count. Similarly, if you have a forward sit-back upright ("combination spin with change of position") and you also have a change foot sitspin, they could both be counted as a change foot upright spin and the second one won't count.

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Odd that there seems to be no changes to dance at all since I was almost sure the would change what is required as a difficult position on twizzles but mabey that is soon to conme since this only cover freeskating and dance is so different in so many ways.

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So I guess MY sit spin is not a sit spin according to the wording of the ISU requirements then???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw7ZQ3uEO8k

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*sigh* I've been trying to get my backsin to 90deg...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC5_L3yyCDs

but I suppose it still won't be a sit under the new definition! So impossible!

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Nice sit, although I didn't see the transition to the broken-leg sit spin. I must have blinked and tada! there it was. Very nice - I never did broken-leg sits well, so I'm envious.

A suggestion: Don't come up so high before the change foot. It's hard going from a broken-leg sit into a back sit, but think about pidgeon-toeing and c-pushing into the back sit side. (Keep your knees bent, too) You have to cross-check the arms on the foot change with a snap to the opposite side to keep up the momentum.

Can you do a regular sit-change-sit? Try it with the arms contra the free leg on both sides - it flows better during the changeover. You'll get it - just keep trying.

Jazz - While I'm being a busy-body, "present" the free foot in your sit spin more, meaning point and turn out the toe/turn in the heel of the free foot. Those heel-down positions always look like skaters are going to spike the ice and get hurt. An added bonus is that the turnout uses different muscles that allow you to st-r-e-t-ch the free leg further out and get the skating hip down lower.

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Thanks. I never thought about the arms - they just go wherever they like to.

My transition to the backsit has always been high, whether or not I do the broken leg. My previous coach used to remark, every time I do a sit-change-sit, that my back sit looks so obviously higher than the forward sit. I threatened to make the foward sit higher so that they'd look the same!

But I think you're right, I need more snap into the backsit - a little more difficult to do coming from a broken-leg.

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Yeah, my primary coach has been forever trying to get me to present the foot too!

Hmmm??? I didn't know about THAT bonus! I'll have to try it and see if that makes a difference... (Thank you for the tip!!!)

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