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Old 03-08-2009, 12:53 PM
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It doesnt really present itself as an allergy sec. What happens is, I have something with yeast to eat and next day, somebody sneezes at me and I have a 40 degrees centegrade fever for a week. Or I suddenly have a yeast infection, which is generally also a sign of a weak immune system. Or my inflammatory processes suddenly flare up.
And perhaps my generally low immune system is just that - reactions to yeast in the atmosphere thing, I don't know. I do know that mushrooms, cheese and the like don't really sit well with me either.

I got some beer on my hand during a student party once. Five minutes later, the skin where the beer had dripped was red, itchy and slightly swollen. I'd say I don't need an allergy test to prove it, lol... The only allergy test I've ever had was after I was given immune boosters to keep my body fighting against an infection, and not surprisingly I was allergic to almost anything back then. Strangely enough, only cats and pollen didn't react lol.
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Old 03-08-2009, 05:01 PM
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I'm not sure about yeast but certainly I and both kids probably react to mould. (Autum hay fever +++ when leaves lying everywhere and getting really soggy and wet).

I do know when sensitised (be it pollen/dairy or whatever) my daughter's skin is way more reactive. A light scratch by accident leaves a bit of a wheal etc.

Do think ice-skating just about the best sport for allergic individuals. (provided not a damp mouldy rink).
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:31 PM
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Or you could just move to Antarctica while you're at it.
(I suppose an off-shore drilling platform would work too. Unless you're allergic to seagulls. LoL)

Dancing and martial arts are also indoor sports.
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Old 03-08-2009, 08:09 PM
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What happens is, I have something with yeast to eat and next day, somebody sneezes at me and I have a 40 degrees centegrade fever for a week...
FWIIW, an allergy is an immunity to an inappropriate thing. It is plausible for one immune response to suppress another, but that incident is pretty indirect evidence.

Yeast is in just about every natural food (and many unnatural foods) with sugar(s) in it. Like fruit. Like just about everything. To say nothing of bread and cake.

Before forgoing grapes, apples and donuts, I'd do a much more controlled test! Isolated reactions to mixtures of many substances do not establish an allergy to any specific constituent.

Especially if the substance I had decided I might be allergic to, like yeast, is in just about everything, including some of the very best things I didn't want to give up. I wouldn't decide I was allergic to water after once having a rash a day after drinking cranberry juice.

But maybe that's just me. I love testing things.

So, maybe I'd bake a sweet quick bread with minimal ingredients (flour, water, sugar, baking soda), and breath over the batter. Any reaction? Next day I'd eat it. Any reaction? Next day I'd bake the same recipe with yeast instead of baking soda. And so on. Repeat in opposite order after waiting a week.

Or maybe I'd just eat a little yeast.

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Or you could just move to Antarctica while you're at it.
Some people move to Arizona for allergies.

But you've a way better idea.

Lots of ice!

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Old 03-09-2009, 11:16 AM
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Okay so maybe I'm not allergic but I do have those reactions I described *every* time I have bread or beer yeast. Or cheese (except cottage cheese), or mushrooms, or soy. Even when I don't know I had them (accidents happen when you don't eat at home). So I'm gonna pass on the sensitivity test if it's all right with you, because bread and beer are the two #1 killers for me. I really don't need more nizoral or flucanazole in my system to get rid of the consequences of eating yeast - it's very, very bad for my already damaged liver...

My point is though, I do understand the kid of topicstarter. I'll have some yeast-extract tainted crisps on regular basis even though I know it's probably not good for me. I'll do the same for eggs and chocolate. Even though I'm itching all over the next day and need to use make-up to cover the red spots, lol. It's a kind of freedom to be able to chose what to have. It's very constricting when you can't have this and that and that. And it's a freedom I personally am willing to pay a little for - and topicstarters daughter too, apparently.
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Old 03-10-2009, 07:51 PM
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I got some beer on my hand during a student party once. Five minutes later, the skin where the beer had dripped was red, itchy and slightly swollen. I'd say I don't need an allergy test to prove it, lol... The only allergy test I've ever had was after I was given immune boosters to keep my body fighting against an infection, and not surprisingly I was allergic to almost anything back then. Strangely enough, only cats and pollen didn't react lol.
Never thought about how someone with a yeast allergy would be allergic to beer - this would not sit well with me at all - especially being married to a Brit!

You have my sympathies. . .
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:39 AM
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It's actually quite bad with beer and wine - if my boyfriend drinks it and then kisses me, I get sick too.
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Old 03-14-2009, 05:23 PM
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Well, bless you all, allergies are awful. I have a lot of allergies myself, but not like the eczema. I do know from experience, though, that when new clothing is brought into the stores for the new seasons, sometimes they really bother me, and i don't even try them on! Its the inhaling of the fibers & fabrics, some synthetic, which is reallly bad.

So it may be something inhaled, who knows? I hope you can make another plan, although it's frustrating.
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:00 AM
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I may understand the yeastie thingie

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It doesnt really present itself as an allergy sec. What happens is, I have something with yeast to eat and next day, somebody sneezes at me and I have a 40 degrees centegrade fever for a week. Or I suddenly have a yeast infection, which is generally also a sign of a weak immune system. Or my inflammatory processes suddenly flare up.
And perhaps my generally low immune system is just that - reactions to yeast in the atmosphere thing, I don't know. I do know that mushrooms, cheese and the like don't really sit well with me either.

I got some beer on my hand during a student party once. Five minutes later, the skin where the beer had dripped was red, itchy and slightly swollen. I'd say I don't need an allergy test to prove it, lol... The only allergy test I've ever had was after I was given immune boosters to keep my body fighting against an infection, and not surprisingly I was allergic to almost anything back then. Strangely enough, only cats and pollen didn't react lol.
I know this thread is mostly dead - but I may just have figured this out.

First off, an allergy is an inappropriate or excessive immune system response. But people do get infected by a number of strains of yeastie beastie (the technical name for the organisms under discussion), in various places, so some immune response isn't inappropriate.

More to the point: Do you respond to exposure to yeast by taking anti-allergy medications? They work by supressing the immune system. So it is perfectly reasonable that you would get fever, cold, flu, cold sores, etc. Are you unwilling to run a controlled test by trying exposure to yeastie beasties without taking an anti-allergy medications 5-10 times? Then how about taking the anti-allergy medication 5-10 times without the exposure, and see if you get any of the symptoms you are talking about?

Your "generally low immune system" is certainly consistent with taking anti-allergy medications.

In other words, apparent allergic responses to an agent may actually be results of using a medication to control the allergy.

A lot of people with medical problems take a lot of drugs. They start with one problem, for which they take a drug. The drug modifies their biochemistry (that's more or less how "drug" is defined), which causes other problems. So they take more drugs, which further alter their biochemistry, both directly, and through their interactions. So they get more problems. And so on.

I've wondered whether many people wouldn't be better off stopping all drugs. (Not suddenly - standard theory is that people's internal biochemistries react to introduced substances by adapting to them, so they become chemically dependant. Better to stop over a period of many days.) Then if it turns out they really need one or two, they can start over.

Again, remember I'm not a doctor, and many doctors would be horrified by the idea of patients experimenting on themselves by not taking what they prescribe. But for myself, I will not take anything long term.

Except food. I've heard the withdrawal symptoms from food are severe.

Here is an article by a doctor who doubts yeast allergies.
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...s/candida.html
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:26 PM
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To the OP - sure it isn't an allergy to latex?

One thing you could do is sew a lining into the entire dress. I used to make linings out of a very thin fleece when my kids were very little and only in the big group numbers at the end of the year show. Lots of standing and waiting and about 3 minutes of skating is very cold when you are 3 or 4 years old. Of course you wouldn't want to use fleece for a competition dress , but how about a stretchy cotton/non latex fabric?
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Old 03-24-2009, 01:25 AM
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First time wore dress - itchy, excema, peeling skin. No problem - got a nude leotard. Second time (with leotard) itched a bit and reddish skin but seemed OK.

Tried it on last night (to check she hasn't grown too much) and instant red blotches all over her. (Didn't use bodysuit as it was a 2 second trying on).

Forth time wearing it - even with bodysuit - wheals/nettle rash - huge things with raised bit in middle. Granted she wore it for an hour for a whole skating session (it was a dress rehearsal and she didn't want to come off ice to change after 2 minutes).
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One thing you could do is sew a lining into the entire dress. I used to make linings out of a very thin fleece when my kids were very little and only in the big group numbers at the end of the year show. Lots of standing and waiting and about 3 minutes of skating is very cold when you are 3 or 4 years old. Of course you wouldn't want to use fleece for a competition dress , but how about a stretchy cotton/non latex fabric?
OP already used bodysuits, so there's already an added layer of "buffer".

OP- Are you chucking the dress? How's the competition after all?
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Old 03-24-2009, 05:12 PM
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You should try to get another epipen...just in case.

As for future dresses, you will have to go the old fashioned way and have the bling sewn on, once you find a basic dress to which she doesn't react to (the dyes). I have one that has the beads/sequins sewn on so people still do sell them.

I understand what you go through. My daughter is deadly allergic to shellfish and she would have to ask 50 questions every time we'd go out to eat....just in case they cooked shrimp or other shellfish on the same grill as her potential dinner. Luckily, no mad dashes to the ER or trials with the epipen, just benadryl and watching for hives.
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Old 03-25-2009, 10:07 AM
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No, I respond by taking flucanazole which damages my liver, since nothing else kills the yeast infections. Doctors have tried a variety of medication, flucanazole is the only one that works. And the yeast infections also cause me to get itch all over my skin when I have them - way before other symptoms such as pain during urinating appear and way before I take the flucanazole. The extreme case of this skin itch would be beer and fresh bread, which causes itch to the skin upon contact, as well as redness.

I do not take any anti allergy medication of any kind, even for the test-confirmed allergies I have (eggs, dog hair etc) because I do not believe in taking pills that aren't vitally necessary is good for my damaged liver and kidneys (that, too, is blood test confirmed). I have a history of my immune system collapsing completely (doctors at one point gave me about 2 weeks to live because of it, I had a 41 degree centigrade fever for several months because of a common bacteria that floats around in the air everywhere and doesn't even make people sick, which had inflamed all my internal organs and even caused some reaction in my blood, BP of 70/50 and stuff like that) which all was happening for no apparent reason (every viral, antibody and petri dish breeding test fanthomable was run with no results other than that common bacteria, which was also supposedly sensitive to a bunch of antibiotics which weren't killing it in me). After that I was treated with medication for my immune system (no idea what, it was all in bags dripping into my veins and I was far too sick to care what was in it) which caused a bunch of allergies, and the yeast reactions have also stuck since, but at least I lived. I still have a gazillion of health problems left though. They've tried everything to treat them but my body doesn't respond to any of it. I am fairly certain my body's response to the yeasts happens because of the drugs I was treated with to keep me alive. I know one of those medications wasn't even approved yet and I don't recall what it was, so I don't know whether it ever got approved. I don't even know what stage the tests were in, I was a teenager all alone in a hospital in a foreign country dying, gee, it slipped my mind to ask, weird huh? At first, I was allergic to *everything* except wheat and tomatoes and cucumbers, and the reactions slowly ceased one by one after they took me off those drugs, but not in the case of yeasts.

I don't care who doubts that people can be allergic to yeast, when you start messing with the immune system with experimental treatments out of sheer desperation, you're bound to get some weird side effects. Redness and itching upon even contact with things like beer, that's allergy in my book. I don't know why I'm only allergic to food yeasts and penicillin-like yeasts, either. Maybe it's because they're the only sort I came into contact with during the treatment (I've got reasons to think that which I won't go into right now).

Query, I don't mean to be rude or anything but I notice that you have a tendency to deal out medical advise in many different threads without being a health professional. Now as much as I understand that a non-professional might have gathered a significant amount of relevant knowledge through general knowledge sources and have very helpful advise because of this, I don't think that's true in your case. You're an engineer, an inventor and a scientist, but your doctoring skills need work on. Or perhaps, it's not so much your knowledge as your assumptions about the situation. You assume people haven't seen a gazillion of specialists about their problems when in fact they do tend to do so for serious, persistent and debilitating problems. In fact I have spent years of my life in and out of hospitals. You're a brilliant DIY'er and problem solver, just not in this area.

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Old 03-26-2009, 10:59 AM
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Sessy:

I understand your perspective, and I very much sympathize with the horrible set of circumstances that your health problems create. To a large extant your criticism is valid.

I have for the most part been careful to say I do not have a medical background. But I see many skaters who have medical problems that are easily fixed, and who do not try to find the right treatment, and it is impossible for me to ignore this. Clearly your problems are not in this category.

The ability to reason from first principles, to experiment, to read the scientific literature, and to solve problems, is not limited to the trained professionals in any field of study. The whole point of the scientific method is that others should be able to duplicate your results.

Health care professionals are trained and bound to specific "standards of care" which theoretically limit their treatment to approved methods. They have to be extremely bright people to master the extraordinary amount of material in their training, but standards of care limit their application of basic problem solving methods. Sometimes the standards of care produce nearly miraculous results - and I have experienced this in my case a couple times. But there are long-term problems that current medical practice has not yet developed good solutions to, and specialists in different medical areas apply very different standards of care. I have experienced that as well.

So I believe that problem solving by ordinary individuals should apply to medical issues.

A large fraction of new medical tools, techniques and drugs originate with people with little or no medical backgrounds. Plus, most of the medical people have relatively little training in running controlled experiments or designing equipment and software (though some do), and it is much too easy for certified medical personnel to find work that pays well in their areas of study, so they have little motivation to question standards.

One of the extraordinary "benefits" of study in the fields like mathematics, astronomy, geology, physics and biology, is that they produce a large number of people who can not find work in their fields. So they are available to solve problems in other areas. (And engineers, which I am not, are happy to work at good paying biotechnology companies.) Therefore you have medical imaging technologies developed by applying the methods of those fields to medical needs, you have drugs designed and tested in simulation by those methods as well, and so on.

A physics professor who worked in computational molecular biochemistry once offered to take me on as a grad student. I wish I had said yes. A fascinating field.

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