That's a good change that will help possible movement from gold into masters int/novice. Going from a 2:40 program in gold to a 3:40 program was kind of a big jump, but the 3:10 is a much better transition.

I agree. In addition, having thirty more seconds to work with while having one less spin in the WBP requirements makes it a bit easier to play with moves in the field and choreography between elements.

Im actually relieved that I dont have to re-learn the 2loop ever again.
I just have to get back my 2sal and re-visit working on the 2toe.

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They were not declared urgent. They go into effect Sept. 1.

Does anyone know if the collegiate $70 / 4 years membership proposal passed at GC?

Yes, I heard this did pass.

The Combined Report of Action is now available:
http://usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=41488

(A bunch of significant changes to adult skating!)

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Interesting. Here's what they did with the Adult Pairs requirements:

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122. APPROVED - Adult Skating Committee [as amended by the Governing Council] to amend rules 4120 (page 317), 4122 (page 319), and 4124 (page 320) by substituting new language for the test eligibility requirements for the adult gold, silver, and bronze pairs events as shown:

RULE 4120 - ADULT GOLD PAIRS (p. 317)
One partner in the adult gold pairs event must have passed one of the following tests:
• The adult gold pairs test but not the standard intermediate pairs test
• The adult gold free skate test
• The standard juvenile pairs test and no higher standard pairs test
• Any standard free skate test at the intermediate juvenile level or higher
The other partner must meet the requirements for this level or must have passed no less than one level lower (i.e., adult silver pairs test, adult silver free skate test, standard preliminary pairs test and/or standard juvenile free skate test).

Pairs teams in which at least one member has passed the standard juvenile or adult gold pairs test may choose to compete at the adult gold pairs level even if one or both members of the team have passed a master’s-level free skate test (i.e., standard intermediate free skate or higher).

RULE 4122 - ADULT SILVER PAIRS (page 319)
One partner in the adult silver pairs event must have passed one of the following tests:
• The adult silver pairs test and no higher adult pairs test
• The adult silver free skate test but no higher than the adult gold free skate test
• The standard pre-juvenile free skate test but no higher than the standard juvenile free skate test

The other partner must meet the requirements for this level or must have passed no less than one level lower (adult bronze pair test, adult bronze free skate test, and/or standard preliminary free skate test).

Either member of an adult silver pairs team may have passed the standard preliminary pairs test, but not the standard juvenile pairs test.

Pairs teams in which at least one member has passed the adult silver pairs test may choose to compete at the adult silver pairs level, even if one or both members of the team have passed the next level free skate
test (i.e., adult gold free skate test and/or standard juvenile free skate test).

RULE 4124 – ADULT BRONZE PAIRS (page 320)
Each partner in the adult bronze pairs event must have passed one of the following tests:
• The adult bronze pairs test and no higher adult pairs test
• The adult bronze free skate test but no higher than the adult silver free skate test
• The standard preliminary pairs test and no higher standard pairs test
• The standard preliminary free skate test but no higher than the standard pre-juvenile free skate test

Pairs teams in which at least one member has passed the standard preliminary pairs test and/or the adult bronze pairs test may choose to compete at the adult bronze pairs level, even if one or both members of
the team have passed the next level free skate test (i.e., adult silver free skate test and/or standard prejuvenile free skate test).
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So, this is weird and complicated. Applying my own situation to this, here are the tests we've passed (discounting MITF):

Me:Silver FS
Him: Juvenile FS

Based on the above, it looks like we would compete in Silver Pairs. And we could be competing against 2 Gold level singles skaters. Fine with us, but weird. And those Gold level singles skaters could also choose to skate in Gold Pairs if they want. Weird.

The adult pairs competiton qualifications have been a moving target. I spent one summer passing the adult pair tests to catch up with my standard pairs level and the next season they gave equivalents for the standard pair tests.

Gold and staying gold.

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Thanks for the link! BTW, for those of you looking for the adult changes, they are on pages 13 and 30.

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Adults,
Does anyone know when the programs are going to change from 1:40 to 1:50 for bronze FS. I'm thinking of cutting new music soon.
Also. are the age groups redifined for this season starting in July????
I was a 4, now I'll be a 3
What is the scoop on solo dance? I'm only in bronze now but in the Rocker Foxtrot the mans steps do not have a rocker. Should they make all skaters skate the more difficult womans steps??

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As far as I know, new rules approved at Governing Council take effect September 1, so you'd be allowed up to 1:50 in any competition September 1 or later, and 9/1 would also be the cutoff for the new age groups. But each competition has its own rules so read the announcement carefully and ask the registrar or referee if the announcement doesn't answer your questions adequately.

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I don't know ANYTHING but I would hope that when they choose the dances for solo dance they will take this into consideration. The man's steps on a LOT of the dances are easier than the woman's, especially in the Pre-Silver through Silver Dances - like the Rocker... The American and Tango have similar steps for man and woman, as does the European Waltz.

But the 14-step, Rocker and Foxtrot - the woman has the harder steps. Generally.

Actually the Starlight (now Pre-Gold) - the man's part is WAY easier than the woman's. If they choose that dance, I would like to do the man's steps because there is no way I can go into that mohawk on the end-pattern solo.

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From my experience, most competitions in the summer utilize the rule changes for the upcoming season. I know that the first adult comp for the season, Peach Classic, e-mailed their past participants asking for a vote on which age categories to use. I'd check announcements before anything though.

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We are using the new age groups and the 1:50 max for Bronze.

The announcements are up on the website, and I hope to email everyone today/tonight.

http://www.gafsc.org/peachclassic

Rob
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Any solo dance competition I've ever seen, each gender does their own steps. This is even done at the Lake Placid dance competition, where they generally do have a couple of boys doing solo dance. Cest le guerre. *shrug*

I can atest to that at the collegiate level (competition) as well. I recall a male asking if he could actually skate the female's steps (of the Viennese, I believe) for that very reason--because he felt it'd be more "equal" that way--and his request was turned down. He skated the male steps against twelve other women doing their steps...and he won. Honestly, though, I don't think he won because his steps were "easier," but because he was a darn good dancer!

We had a solo dance competition last year at one of our non-qualifyings here in Portland. Six adults solo'd the Westminister Waltz. Two of them did one pattern of their own gender's steps followed by a pattern of the other gender's steps. I don't remember who won, but I thought that was a unique solution to the "problem".

All of them are very good dancers, BTW.

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Indeed, and when Husband dances solo, as he sometimes does, he is still unable to beat certain skaters (you know who you are!) and would dearly, dearly love to. But ain't gonna happen, not yet awhile....

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Is the Max time for Master's Interp. events 2:10 for EVERY competition now, or just for Peach Classic?

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Not for every competition. Adult Nationals and Adult Sectionals is still 1:40. Open competitions such as Peach Classic have the discretion to choose whatever max time they want.

Just the Peach, AFAIK. We did this for someone a few years back who asked us to. In the text above interp (under Music), we do say that this time is not the same as the time for AN.

Remember ALL TIMES for adults are MAX TIMES. There are no deductions if you program is shorter.

I once skated a Bronze program for a Silver event, when there weren't any other Bronze guys at an event. And, I actually did pretty well.

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Wyandotte has offered it for the past two years. We also state in the announcement that it is not for AN or AS. Looks like we will also have to closely look at prop rules again judging by what some skaters were doing in interp programs. Looks like yet another "clarification" is needed for skaters "pushing the envelope" on things. Ah well....makes it interesting I guess.

Yea and my daughter went to the PSA conference this weekend and they already had seminars planned where she learned the moves that didn't pass

j

The argument against the moves is that < 2% of all skaters who start actually pass their Senior MIF and < 1% pass their Senior FS. If the Senior MIF become much more difficult, the kids who stay in to "test out" before finishing HS may drop the sport sooner. The argument that was used for proponents of the new MIF changes is that their are more and more younger kids testing out with tests that are marginal and are given the benefit of the doubt.