>>OUCH<< are you all healed up now???

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Ah, show skating!!! I do it for the glitter!

Don't worry about it. He's still peeved that I called him out on a whopping lie about his test level last year. He'll get over it.

Wow I didnt realize that your period is still going on
I could care less on what you discovered. I realize that everybody has negative comments on just about anything, especially a person just like yourself. How about grow up yourself and stop with the , Im offering you my hand so we can cut this Sh*t. Its not healthy to keep having this grudge and hatred. Unless you really like it.

Have a pleasant weekend my dearest

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....Yep, this forum is Deffo better than any soap opera forum.

BTW Tim - you think SHE's bad when she has her period, I tell you now she's got nothing on me.....



S xxx

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There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"

One word: MEOW!!!

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Cheers,
jazzpants

11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

I would laugh, but I did the same bang on knees fall years back and well, took a while to heal the bruises... certain took a while to finally convince me to try for a spiral again (and even more years to now finally get myself to a somewhat decent spiral position.)

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Cheers,
jazzpants

11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

OWWW! Painful enough just thinking about it.

S xx

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Well, what I didn't do that caused the fall was the exact thing that I'm supposed to do to fix my spiral... namely "lean" (I can't think of a good way to describe it) onto the back of my boot (so your weight is more on the back of the boot and straight knee (so it'll help you to lean more so you won't go on your toe picks!!!) In other words, I'm doing EVERYTHING that's scary about the spiral for me in order to keep me from what I fear about the spirals!!!

Needless to say, I had a tumultuous relationship with the spirals but we're "civil" now!

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Cheers,
jazzpants

11-04-2006: Shredded "Pre-Bronze FS for Life" Club Membership card!!!
Silver Moves is the next "Mission Impossible"
(Dare I try for Championship Adult Gold someday???)

Thank you for the support, you guys!!!

I hope so, that was more than a year ago

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"What matters is not experience per se but 'effortful study'."
"At first, dreams seem impossible, then improbable, and eventually inevitable" ~ Christopher Reeve

Hi TimDavidSkate...Hi Casey!

hello lovepairs how are you? will you be attending skate america this month?

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Do you live in Connecticut?

nahs, I live in NYC... I'll be there tho from Thurs till Saturday

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ohmygod, Lee just told me that you were the one who showed up at the Aviator thing...I read that! You poor thing...shleeping all the way out there!

By the way, which test did you pass?

Their prices at aviator is no different than Sky rink's But Im planning on checking it out on Monday - AM freestyle

I just passed my Silver MIF on Sept 25 - 06

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Cool! A big congrats to you on Silver Moves! I wish I could go to Skate America, but I can't afford to travel right now. I went to your website, and, yes, your kitties are adorable! Will you be competing in the Halloween Classic in November? Lee and I skate at that rink (Aston) and we will be there. If you are going, we'll look forward to meeting you.

Best,
Lovepairs

THanks :-D Frisky the older one we got from Northshore Animal Shelter and Froggie I found inside an abandoned fridge at 3am.

Yes I will be competing at Aston, PA - I will be competing in Silver Men's event.

Look forward to meeting you
Lets get some coffee or a drink

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Lee will be competing in Novice Moves...yes, let's all have coffee together!

Muffin came from the Media Animal Shelter and Cakie is from Aston, PA (she came from the pet store up the block from the rink.)

BC, who is no longer with us, came out of a garbage can on Mulberry Street in NYC. She was a kitten found in a garbage can, but once we got her out of there, she lead a long and happy life.

Cookie, also came from the Media Animal Shelter. Wee-chan came from an apartment on Bleeker St., NYC--he only lived until 6 (it was sad, but he was wonderful!)

That's all my cats! See you soon!

The standard on adult tests, as I'm sure you know, is "continuous strength and flow." To me, that means that they don't expect the kids to have the effortless flow of kids who just seem to throw themselves into the move, but they do expect evidence of power and control.

There is a big difference between you not having enough power, according to a professional coach, and what kids typically do. I would take the critique constructively and work to get to an adult standard. Just because your coach said that doesn't mean that she's saying you have to flow like a child skater. It means that you aren't there in terms of adult standards.

Sorry, but are you THE ONLY ADULT THAT SKATES AT YOUR RINK?
Have you had to do moves on sessions that are not only crowded, but the ice is crap and full of ruts, condensation turtles, etc?
I also have to ask, do you guys not believe in being judged as a adult and not a child?
BTW: I'm the first adult skater my coach is taking through on adult moves, so she doesn't know really how the adult tests should be judged!

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I don't think anyone is saying that you SHOULD be judged according to standard track standards when we have adult standards we're supposed to be judged by. I think the point is just that you shouldn't underestimate your ability to achieve the same standard if you want to.

Why don't you direct your coach to the Adult MIF videos that have been posted online on the USFSA website so he/she can see what the passing standard is. Here's the link:
http://www.usfigureskating.org/Programs.asp?id=316

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"You don't have to put an age limit on your dreams." - Dara Torres, 41, after her 2nd medal at the 2008 Olympics

A friend of mine who went to adult nationals sent me the proposed changes for testing levels and said I should email w/my feedback, which I did...I said I didn't like them lowering the bar but admitted that just because I like to try and skate at fast speeds I understood ISI was recreational. I never got a response to my email so now I'm wondering if this was one ISI member's proposed changes or if this was an ISI thing? I will try and find the list of changes.

But you didn't blame the ice or the rink...you blamed your age...and with all due respect that's not the problem.

Being judged as an adult should absolutely not mean being judged as if you can't do a good power 3. There's no reason why a 41 year old can't do one if you're talking solely about age, which you were in your original post.

This is an issue that pushes my buttons, I admit. It drives me nuts too. I've sat in the audience for several competitions hearing skating parents/audiences make fun of the adult skaters who skate excrutiatingly slow...and as angry as I am at the people who do that I also know that some of these people could skate a lot faster. I know that when I go out there Next month for my first competition in FS4 people are going to see adult and think "slowpoke, can't do it", and not pay attention. Oh well.

I did tell my coach this and guess what?
My coach died when she saw the forward perim stroking- the skater was not on correct edges and did not fill the ice/pattern completely. She was so aghast that she didn't watch the remainder of the video.
There is a disclaimer that the moves may not be skated to passing standard on the video on the USFS website.

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I'm uncertain about entering this particular discussion, but, here goes. When I tested AB moves, in 2004, there was no "continuous strength and flow" language.

My coach told me the judges mostly had no idea how to judge adults, despite the existence of "adult track". That they seemed to apply standard track criteria but use "adult numbers" on the test sheets. Therefore, my coach did her best (bless her heart, she did try really hard, the poor thing.....) to prepare me to meet standard track criteria.

I understand completely Terri's remark about "if the judges expect a 41 year old to skate power threes with the power of a kid" that it isn't going to happpen. I do think, depending on the adult, it can be extremely difficult, when you have not skated ever before, to reach standard track criteria successfully. Just my opinion. Even rink conditions and sessions/times adults have available to practice can make a difference. At some rinks, and some times, I DO think the judge expect to see the same criteria, regardless of "track" or age. It may depend on the rink, and how many adults have tested there in front of similarly composed judging panels.

I think it was sheer determination that I passed that moves test. I am certainly no "skater", trust me. Plus, I was 52 when I took that test.

Terri, my suggestion would be to prepare as for a standard track test, the goal being to get as close as you can to standard track criteria, since your rink appears to less observant of adult track criteria. Aside from that, another suggestion is to find a rink, if possible (and it often is not....as we adults often have both monetary and time constraints) where a lot of adults test, and test there.

Last, I think now that the adult track standard has been changed to "continuous strength and flow", there is a clearer definition between kids and adults doing the same elements. Hopefully anyway!