British Adult Champs [Archive]

antmanb

07-07-2009, 06:17 AM

Just a quick question - when are the British Adult National Championships?

Coach keeps trying to convince me to compete again and while i'm reluctant i'd like to know when it is.

many thanks
Anthony

NickiT

07-07-2009, 06:24 AM

Next BAC are in Sheffield on the 26th and 27th February next year.

Nicki

antmanb

07-07-2009, 07:28 AM

Thanks for the info Nicki, can you tell me also whether it will be 6.0 judging or IJS? Is there anywhere online that breaks down the different categories and programme requirements?

Ant

fsk8r

07-07-2009, 07:38 AM

Thanks for the info Nicki, can you tell me also whether it will be 6.0 judging or IJS? Is there anywhere online that breaks down the different categories and programme requirements?

Ant

It was 6.0 last year and I don't believe it's being switched over next year, although it doesn't harm to have an IJS compatible program. The programme requirements are generally the same as the adult opens (bronze/ silver/ gold/ masters) although age categories seem to vary. You might be able to find last years requirements on the NISA website unless they've had a purge recently (otherwise Guildford Open is tomorrow so the entry requirements are on the club website).

NickiT

07-07-2009, 09:21 AM

I thought they were planning on bringing in the IJS for the BAC next year and using us as guinea pigs! I guess we will just have to wait and see!

Nicki

Mrs Redboots

07-07-2009, 09:48 AM

Ant, there are a couple of competitions in between now and then; if you want an IJS score, I recommend Dunkerque at the end of November. For an RJS score there is Bristol in mid-September. You can download all the information from the new UK Adult Skating website (http://www.appledore-computing.co.uk/Skating/), although I think Dunkerque is still just at the "Save the date" stage.

fsk8r

07-07-2009, 09:50 AM

I thought they were planning on bringing in the IJS for the BAC next year and using us as guinea pigs! I guess we will just have to wait and see!

Nicki

You might be right. It's all so confusing getting information from NISA!
And I don't mind being the guinea pig as long as they adjust the system to cope with the fact that I'm a low level skater and can't do all the things IJS gives credit for, so can I have some credit for what I can do...

mintypoppet

07-07-2009, 11:34 AM

And I don't mind being the guinea pig as long as they adjust the system to cope with the fact that I'm a low level skater and can't do all the things IJS gives credit for, so can I have some credit for what I can do...

They do at Oberstdorf and the Mountain Cup. I'm not sure of your level, but you might be interested in the MC results (http://eissport-magazin.de/MC2009/Mountain%20Cup%202009_ergebnisse.htm) to see how they calculated the bronze protocols.

As an example, I did two programs at MC - my freeskate was very IJS centric and I did well because I had a high base value. My free dance was RJS centric, my base value was lower than many of the other skaters, and I placed accordingly. I am now convinced of the benefit of a cleverly choreographed IJS program! :)

antmanb

07-08-2009, 04:44 AM

Mrs R - my coach was trying to push me into competing at Dunkerque but November seems far too soon for me plus I don't think I have much more time available to take off work so i'm not sure I can manage that!

Thanks for all the information people have provided but i'm a little confused as to what RJS is. Can anyone help?!

Also how strict are they with us adults doing "sit" spins?

Thanks
Ant

mintypoppet

07-08-2009, 07:51 AM

Thanks for all the information people have provided but i'm a little confused as to what RJS is. Can anyone help?!

RJS (Relative Judging System) is 6.0 judging

antmanb

07-08-2009, 10:30 AM

RJS (Relative Judging System) is 6.0 judging

Thanks for that!

Ant

fsk8r

07-08-2009, 02:32 PM

Also how strict are they with us adults doing "sit" spins?

Thanks
Ant

Having looked at some of the protocols from the mountain cup, it's the adult "sit" spin which is my biggest concern about switching to IJS. I'm quite happy that the program needs to be choreographed for maximum points, but when some of us are struggling to get the whole 90degree angle the new judging system seems to penalise that more than the attempt on the old system.

mintypoppet

07-08-2009, 03:24 PM

Having looked at some of the protocols from the mountain cup, it's the adult "sit" spin which is my biggest concern about switching to IJS. I'm quite happy that the program needs to be choreographed for maximum points, but when some of us are struggling to get the whole 90degree angle the new judging system seems to penalise that more than the attempt on the old system.

However, if your sit spin didn't count under 6.0, and they marked it as an upright spin, you would get a 0.2 deduction (or is it 0.1?) if you already have an upright spin in your program. Under IJS, a repeated element is simply ignored without being penalised.

I suspect that a >90degree sit spin could get a negative GOE, but you would still be marked for it.

frbskate63

07-09-2009, 01:53 PM

I suspect that a >90degree sit spin could get a negative GOE, but you would still be marked for it.

Depends how generous the tech specialist is feeling - if they adhere to the letter of the rules, it should get called as either sit spin no level (worth zero), or possibly as an upright spin if the skater really hardly gets down (which would count if they hadn't already done an upright spin, but would probably get a low GOE for the bad position).

fsk8r

07-10-2009, 01:53 AM

Depends how generous the tech specialist is feeling - if they adhere to the letter of the rules, it should get called as either sit spin no level (worth zero), or possibly as an upright spin if the skater really hardly gets down (which would count if they hadn't already done an upright spin, but would probably get a low GOE for the bad position).

That's what, looking at the protocols from the Mountain Cup, seemed to be happening (wasn't there so can't really comment on what people were actually doing).
I'd imagine that when we properly switch over to IJS that there will be a lot less sit spins in competition when lots of us adults don't get called for them because of the position issues we have with old knees.

antmanb

07-10-2009, 05:03 AM

Which really seems like a double standard against us adults becuase i can think of a good handful of elite skaters that don't satisfy the condition and yet seemingly have no problem getting their sit spins called as such.

So still on the topic of spins -if each spin must have a different category of lettering, would doing a camel spin for say 3 revs and then an upright spin for say 4 revs count as a Combination spin with no change of foot but one change of position?

Ant

mintypoppet

07-10-2009, 12:13 PM

So still on the topic of spins -if each spin must have a different category of lettering, would doing a camel spin for say 3 revs and then an upright spin for say 4 revs count as a Combination spin with no change of foot but one change of position?

My sit to upright counts as a combo so I would think so.

frbskate63 knows much more about this stuff than I do, so I hope she'll elaborate if I'm mistaken!

frbskate63

07-10-2009, 04:51 PM

So still on the topic of spins -if each spin must have a different category of lettering, would doing a camel spin for say 3 revs and then an upright spin for say 4 revs count as a Combination spin with no change of foot but one change of position?

Ant

Yes it would - but make sure your free foot and knee are both at least level with the hip for at least two revs of the camel, or that position won't count.

antmanb

07-13-2009, 05:45 AM

Thanks for the tips on spins. I'll keep ni mind having to have the free knee and foot at hip level or higher. I think i can manage that but will need coaches input to make sure!

Thanks again
Ant

Mrs Redboots

07-14-2009, 08:34 AM

I've just heard there are to be adult free and dance classes at the Scottish championships (week beginning 12 October - adult classes probably 15 & 16 or maybe 17 & 18). I hear schedules are already on-line, but can't find them anywhere.

I've also been told that it's important we support these, if at all possible; they haven't had adult classes for several years and won't again if they are not well supported.

kateskate

07-16-2009, 05:38 PM

Mrs Redboots

07-17-2009, 10:32 AM

Oooo I will enter if I can. If anyone has any details please let us have the link
I think the adult schedules are still being worked out, judging by a recent conversation on Facebook. When I hear anything more, I'll post it here.